I have two interesting interviews to share with you today, the first is Lex Friedman interviewing Pavel Durov, the founder of Telegram. I started using and advocating for Telegram back in 2015, and Audrey Capital was part of their aborted fundraise in 2018. As a software craftsperson, I’ve always had tremendous respect for the team and the rate at which they shipped truly novel design and UI. I’m amazed by the speed at which they ship major features across multiple platforms. The network also has incredibly resiliency, which they get into on the podcast. As I’m often in poor connectivity situations in planes or remote locations, Telegram has been one of the networks that works most reliably.
I’ve met Pavel only briefly about a decade ago, but have followed his story as he’s a unique character with an ascetic lifestyle, target of many intelligence agencies, sperm donor father of 100+ children, and many other unique characteristics. I use Telegram like I use X/Twitter, I put things I consider semi-public on it and I think of it like a social network and development platform, and since 2022 I’ve cross-posted my blog to a Telegram channel using a Jetpack bot. It’s probably my favorite community platform. The four hour interview between Lex and Pavel covers a lot of ground, but product builders will probably appreciate most the middle part around the 2-hour mark where they go into their engineering and design philosophies. (BTW I usually watch/listen to these at 2x speed.)
If you’re looking for something a little lighter on a Sunday I recommend this heart-warming conversation between John Mayer and Weird Al Yankovic.
I know this seems like a weird pairing, but I consider both Pavel and Weird Al to behackers, in the sense they looked at the rules of the system and decided to create a new game.
